[Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

Thu Jul 28 04:00:08 MDT 2005

the lane like this on the Embarcadero south of the Ferry Building works well.

Db

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    From: "Mike Sallaberry" <Mike.Sallaberry at sfgov.org>
    Sent: 7/27/05 1:12:22 PM
    To: "Carfreeliving at livablecity.org" <Carfreeliving at livablecity.org>, "transit1 at rescuemuni.org" <transit1 at rescuemuni.org>
    Subject: RE: RE: [Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

    I think we should be careful to not oversimplify the details associated 
    with constructing segregated BRT facilities in the middle of the roadway 
    if such a request is to be taken seriously by Home Depot.

    Another idea:  A commute hour parking tow-away that reveals transit lane 
    along the curb.  If the lane is 14 feet wide, bikes and buses can share 
    the lane side by side when parking is not allowed.  When parking (which 
    takes 7' - 8') is allowed, the 6' - 7' that remains of the transit lane 
    can serve as a pseudo bike lane.  Actually, I think that may be the best 
    of both worlds.  Relatively simple roadway work, space for cyclists 24/7, 
    transit lane during times when traffic is the worst, and an overall 
    improvement to capacity along the roadway.  Biggest (only?) loser are the 
    people who park on the street during commute hours.

    Throw in some transit priority at the signals, improve some bus stops, and 
    you have a quick and important improvement for transit and cyclists.  No 
    major, costly, lengthy construction or community outreach that would 
    likely be associated with a full BRT design (which I believe does not have 
    to go in now, especially if the space is reserved via a shorter term 
    proposal like I describe), and the space is partially reserved for a 
    future effort.

    Overall, I think that if we want Home Depot to add roadway improvements to 
    its scope of work, they have to be fairly cheap, popular, and relatively 
    quick to implement so that the timing jives with the store opening.

    Also, I know Level of Service is a dirty word to many people here, but it 
    is a reality that developers have to deal with.  The idea I describe for 
    the curbside transit/bike lane improves LOS during commute hours than if 
    they went with the current roadway design.  That may be very important to 
    Home Depot.

    We may want to be careful to keep requests/demands realistic, or risk 
    missing an opportunity and end up with nothing.
    Mike

    "Andrew Sullivan" <sulli at sulli.org> 
    07/27/2005 12:34 PM
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    andrew at sulli.org

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    RE: RE: [Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

    Paint's cheap.  Concrete boarding islands aren't that expensive.  Why not 
    propose a combination of center bus only lanes and bike lanes?  Sure, this 
    means less auto capacity, but there's a freeway right there.  Auto parking 
    along the side of the street can go, if that's the tradeoff - most 
    businesses along Bayshore have their own parking, and Home Depot certainly 
    will.

    If we don't get at least the right-of-way for BRT now, we'll never get it.

    Andrew

    ------- Original Message -------
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:11:00 -0700 Mike Sallaberry wrote:Couple thoughts 
    off the top of my head:

    1) The median work for bike lanes is pretty easy.  Maybe asking for BRT 

    treatments or a complete street along Bayshore at this point makes the 

entire request too big and more easily rejectable.  Then we end up with 

nothing more than their initial proposal.

2) The right of way that could be obtained by setting Home Depot back x 

feet from their property line may be for naught if other properties along 

the street are built up to their property lines.

I whole heartedly support BRT.  I think that is the way to go as rail is 

too expensive and inflexible.  I just don't know if this is the best time 

and place to ask for BRT style treatments or a complete rebuild of the 

street.

A more discreet BRT type request could be for transit priority to be 

incorporated into any new signals they install.

Mike

"Dan Krause" 

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07/27/2005 11:59 AM

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RE: [Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

Hi Folks,

We need to be thinking about transit on this section of Bayshore as well. 

The heavily used #9 bus runs through here and is already slowed 

significantly from traffic at certain times of the day.  Rescue Muni feels 

that BRT is an appropriate treatment here.  Many transit-dependent people 

rely on the #9 and without BRT improvements, there lives are going to just 

get much worse after Home Depot opens. 

We should all sit down very soon and figure out if this can become a 

"Complete Street".   We must not preclude transit lanes here and it would 

be fabulous if Home Depot could pay for a complete streets treatment. They 

damn well should because it is going to be a cash cow for them and they 

are going inundate the the street with traffic.  The street width is very 

wide on Bayshore so it may work out for everybody.   Home Depot needs to 

be designed in a way that doesn't constrain the width of the road. 

______________________________

Dan Krause

Managing Director, Rescue Muni

105 San Jose Ave.

San Francisco, CA  94110

415/826-1219 (p)   415/826-3362 (f)

dankrause at rescuemuni.org

www.rescuemuni.org

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[mailto:Carfreeliving-bounces at livablecity.org] On Behalf Of Shannon Dodge

Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:25 AM

To: Carfreeliving at livablecity.org

Subject: [Carfreeliving] Re: Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

Thanks for that idea Mike.  I work at Bernal Heights Neighborhood Center, 

so yes, am involved in this one.  BTW, for anyone interested in going to 

the Planning Commish tomorrow, the meeting does start at 1pm but this item 

is not scheduled until 6 pm - 

http://www.sfgov.org/site/planning_page.asp?id=33460

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Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:15:14 -0700

From: Mike Sallaberry 

Subject: [Carfreeliving] Home Depot and Bayshore Blvd bikeway

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On this project, one possible mitigation for the traffic impacts of Home 

Depot could be for them to pay for (or do the work for) the median shaving 

necessary to stripe a northbound bike lane on Bayshore from Industrial to 

Jerrold. DPT mentioned the idea to them but I believe they said their 

project area was limited, or something like that. I think it would be a 

good way for them to build up some goodwill with the community, and in the 

whole scheme of things, it will not cost them that much, especially since 

they are already doing some concrete/asphalt/signal work near the entrance 

on Bayshore. Too bad they didn't take the opportunity to be more 

proactive.

The southbound route here is on Barneveld/Loomis, so for this section of 

Bayshore, the median shaving and northbound bike lane would take care of a 

big chunk of what we need on Bayshore. With the Oakdale bike lanes 

recently extended, this is a good chance to continue filling in the gaps 

in the area.

Anyone involved with the Home Depot effort? I think if enough people ask 

for this, there is a chance they'll do it.

Mike

** Thursday, July 28th **

BAYSHORE HOME DEPOT - PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING

1 pm, City Hall, Rm 400*

The proposed Home Depot on Bayshore (site of the old Goodman's Lumber and 

Whole Earth Access) will have a dramatic impact on traffic and could 

affect bike lanes on Bayshore. This Planning Commission meeting will be 

the final review and action on the project -- be sure to come out and help 

push for the best outcome for biking on Bayshore.

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