[Carfreeliving] South Van Ness ramp

Wed Nov 16 13:23:20 MST 2005

Caltrans of course has an interest in transferring the impact of 
automobile traffic from its freeways to city streets. We of course 
have an interest in the opposite. Caltrans usually wins, but not 
always.

Dave

At 5:45 PM -0800 11/15/05, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
>I wonder if the problem is that a 2 lane ramp would have safety 
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>On 11/16/2005 01:30 Mike Sallaberry wrote:
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>Ramp is Caltrans, Division/13th/Duboce/whatever it is there is a city
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>street but in Caltrans airspace.  Ramp itself is apparently one lane now
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>when it used to be two...
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>hasn't it been two lanes for a long time prior to the construction? Also -
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>this isn't Caltrans' facility or jurisdiction, though, Division is a city
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>street, so I would think it's totally up to the City, not Caltrans (though
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>Mike Sallaberry <Mike.Sallaberry at sfgov.org>
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>I checked around with folks working on this project and they're working on
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>Ness off-ramp.  Right now it's apparently backed up badly with only one
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>RE: [Carfreeliving] Fw:  BoS Land Use -- Market/Octavia freeway ramp
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>I've said it before, I'll say it again (maybe to a different email list?).
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>  BETTER SIGNAGE is needed for this to have any chance of working.  The
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>tiny little baby-sized "FREEWAY ->" signs ARE NOT sufficient to make it
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>clear to out-of-towners how to get to 101 and 80!
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>If the city wants people not to take that turn, it should put up BIG signs
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>(i.e. 10' x 10', full sized highway signs) before Duboce: "101 South, 80
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>East -> / NO TURNS AT OCTAVIA".  Also at Octavia, again a full sized sign
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>should say: "To 101 South, 80 East: Turn Right At Gough."
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>I know out-of-towners (ick!) should only go to the Wharf and all, but some
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>do come to the Castro and environs, and it would be awfully nice to
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>(Of course, the preferred choice is to take BART and change to Muni at
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>Civic Center, but unless we have a car buyback program on upper Market,
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>this won't help the motorists already here.)
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>On 11/4/2005 03:35 Mike Sallaberry wrote:
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>Dave, you like the idea of funneling cyclists, many of whom are going
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>around 20mph, into a 4'-5' wide channel with raised sides that may
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>Such a median could not be designed to prevent right turning cars from
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>island that they space on or don't look for/expect.  This type of design
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>We can argue about this forever.  The only way to find out who is right is
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>to actually build it, but you won't find me supporting it...or riding
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>through it.  Maybe I'm completely wrong on this topic, but if I'm not, the
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>----- Forwarded by Mike Sallaberry/DPT/SFGOV on 11/03/2005 06:17 PM -----
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>Thanks, Josh, for this suggestion below:
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>This is an idea worth trying.
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