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class=039425221-28112005>Thanks for the observation Mike. You are right, cars
will turn from the second lane, but I think the parked cars do help slow down
the turns simply by being there and making the turn wider and less "fast
looking". The striping needs to be fixed, and the crosswalk more clearly
marked.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=039425221-28112005>If only 1 lane is marked for turns, and the other
marked as no turns, that may help. Both intersections need help, the
crossing could be narrowed on Masonic and an island installed to slow the cars
down even more both at Oak and Fell.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=039425221-28112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>sigh,
another half heartedly executed attempt at ped safety that we want
to take away because it was not fully implemented and drivers
complained.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=039425221-28112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Don't
interpret that to mean I give up: I don't.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=039425221-28112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Cheryl</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Mike Sallaberry
[mailto:Mike.Sallaberry@SFGOV.ORG] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 22, 2005
3:08 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Carfreeliving@livablecity.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Carfreeliving] Oak and Masonic<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>I'm not a fan of double turn
lanes, and have removed a few myself, but something to keep in mind is that
many motorists have been treating the #2 lane (count from the left) as a turn
lane even though it is intended for through traffic only, basically creating
the same problems as the double turn lane design but now with the added
unpredictability associated with illegal movements. It's a similar
phenomenon to the RT issue at Market/Octavia. You can discourage or ban
certain movements, but if there is enough demand to perform that particular
movement and no constant or regular enforcement or way to physically prevent
it, people will break the law.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>With or without the second turn lane, there is still two rows of
turning vehicles here.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>What to
do?</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Now, please do not interpret
this as me supporting this or supporting that. I think it's an
interesting topic and certainly worth discussing, but given my time
constraints, I will probably not send another email on this topic.</FONT>
<BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Thanks,</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>Mike</FONT> <BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<TD width="40%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"Brinkman, Cheryl"
<Cheryl.Brinkman@McKesson.com></B> </FONT><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=1>Sent by:
Carfreeliving-bounces@livablecity.org</FONT>
<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>11/17/2005 01:16 PM</FONT> </P>
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<TD vAlign=top><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>[Carfreeliving] Oak
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size=2>Oak at Masonic used to be a double turn lane from Oak to Masonic.
A few months ago, June I think, the second turn lane was removed - well,
the tow away zone was removed so cars can now park along the left side of Oak
all the way up to the crosswalk. This meant that there is only one lane
of cars turning left across the Masonic cross walk that connects the two
halves of the Panhandle.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>This was accomplished after a comprehensive e-mail string to
DPT engineering listing all the reasoning behind improving pedestrian and bike
safety, the fact that the left turning cars simply meet a red light at Fell,
and that Oak street does not appear to be at capacity - cars come in clumps
across all four lanes, but no clump seems to be deeper then about four or five
cars, and of course that the City Charter states blah blah blah....</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now my lovely "ark
here and help slow the cars down"is going be removed for morning rush hours
7-9 apparently due river complaints and the fact that the intersection backs
up. I did not go out and publicize the removal of the turn lane to peds
and bikes, thinking that perhaps it was better to fly under the radar and not
call attention to it. That was a mistake I guess, the drivers complained
and the peds did not state their happiness at feeling safer crossing Masonic.
Drivers win again.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Would the correct ultimate decision maker be Jack Fleck of DPT
engineering? As usual, I don't understand why driver convenience
trumps pedestrian safety but I want to keep the intersection at one turn lane
only. It really is safer for peds.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any advise would be welcome.</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheryl</FONT><FONT
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